The Beginning of Knowledge
Fast forward many years. I am not going into why my daughter stopped believing in God...I only found out myself the last 4 days but I will go into what happened to our relationship from my viewpoint.
I had noticed that my daughter communicated with me less and less with phone calls and visits but I didn't know why. I also noticed that when I said, "Say a prayer," or anything pertaining to God she became very quiet. I wondered why. As time went on my son told me that my son-in-laws mother was often at their house watching the boys and again, I wondered why. Somewhere around October of last year my other daughter posted this on FB:
It's CHRISTmas.......notX-mas!!! Don't remove CHRIST from HIS birthday!!! Post this if you agree.......Please don't X out the Lord!!!!! (I want to see this on everyone's wall!!!) Jesus is the reason for the season.
My son-in-law commented this:
Actually..Christmas is a pagan holiday, derived from saturnalia..
And decorating trees is absolutely forbidden by the bible..Jeremiah 10:3 For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the h...ands of the workman, with the axe. They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.
Then I posted:
This is in reference to an idol that was worshiped made from a tree and not a tree as such. You have to read the whole chapter to get this. Christmas, the first part of the word is derived from CHRIST. I don't see where saturnalia is att...ached to Christmas other than it was a celebration that they had where they gave gifts and had holidays and let school out. Everything that I've read on this does not provide documented proof but is theorized that this is where Christmas had it's roots. It is stated as such in some readings, but again in what I've read has no documented proof.
This set off a huge debate between SIL and me which I was enjoying because I like to debate. But, as the debate went on it became increasingly condescending on his part toward me and patronizing and I'm not understanding why. Our debate went on for about a day. A lot of it was him trying to disprove God and his word and me defending it. I finally asked him if he no longer believed in God. He told me he had 3 numbers on his desk and if someone could tell him what those numbers were he would believe in God or a deity as he calls him. It was then I knew he no longer believed in God and became afraid for my daughter. The sad thing was right before this happened he told me that he loved me as his mother-in-law.
While all of this is going on and I am very confused as to why he's quit believing my daughter is standing by monitoring our conversation. There was a lot going on in that debate, me defending God and the Bible and him putting God and the Bible down. He told me my daughter wouldn't let him say a lot of things because she was afraid it would get out of control but what she did let him say should not have been said in what I think is just an email debate between two believers with him acting as the one against and me the one for with rebuttals and all that.
That was my introduction to my son-in-law now being an atheist or agnostic. He used both terms interchangeably. After this I wondered why why my daughter didn't tell me. I wondered how she was taking this. I wondered about my grand kids. I wondered how long it had been this way in their household. I wondered how it would end. I wondered if his mom knew and how she was told. Somehow I didn't she was told in the manner I was.
I felt blind-sided and confused but I thought I had my question answered as to why I wasn't being asked to watch my grand kids as often as I once was and I wondered why my daughter wasn't stopping it. Somewhere around February or March of this year my daughter and I went out to lunch and I would walk out of there and away from her home with a grieving heart.
Stayed Tuned for More Later
I had noticed that my daughter communicated with me less and less with phone calls and visits but I didn't know why. I also noticed that when I said, "Say a prayer," or anything pertaining to God she became very quiet. I wondered why. As time went on my son told me that my son-in-laws mother was often at their house watching the boys and again, I wondered why. Somewhere around October of last year my other daughter posted this on FB:
It's CHRISTmas.......notX-mas!!! Don't remove CHRIST from HIS birthday!!! Post this if you agree.......Please don't X out the Lord!!!!! (I want to see this on everyone's wall!!!) Jesus is the reason for the season.
My son-in-law commented this:
Actually..Christmas is a pagan holiday, derived from saturnalia..
And decorating trees is absolutely forbidden by the bible..Jeremiah 10:3 For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the h...ands of the workman, with the axe. They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.
Then I posted:
This is in reference to an idol that was worshiped made from a tree and not a tree as such. You have to read the whole chapter to get this. Christmas, the first part of the word is derived from CHRIST. I don't see where saturnalia is att...ached to Christmas other than it was a celebration that they had where they gave gifts and had holidays and let school out. Everything that I've read on this does not provide documented proof but is theorized that this is where Christmas had it's roots. It is stated as such in some readings, but again in what I've read has no documented proof.
This set off a huge debate between SIL and me which I was enjoying because I like to debate. But, as the debate went on it became increasingly condescending on his part toward me and patronizing and I'm not understanding why. Our debate went on for about a day. A lot of it was him trying to disprove God and his word and me defending it. I finally asked him if he no longer believed in God. He told me he had 3 numbers on his desk and if someone could tell him what those numbers were he would believe in God or a deity as he calls him. It was then I knew he no longer believed in God and became afraid for my daughter. The sad thing was right before this happened he told me that he loved me as his mother-in-law.
While all of this is going on and I am very confused as to why he's quit believing my daughter is standing by monitoring our conversation. There was a lot going on in that debate, me defending God and the Bible and him putting God and the Bible down. He told me my daughter wouldn't let him say a lot of things because she was afraid it would get out of control but what she did let him say should not have been said in what I think is just an email debate between two believers with him acting as the one against and me the one for with rebuttals and all that.
That was my introduction to my son-in-law now being an atheist or agnostic. He used both terms interchangeably. After this I wondered why why my daughter didn't tell me. I wondered how she was taking this. I wondered about my grand kids. I wondered how long it had been this way in their household. I wondered how it would end. I wondered if his mom knew and how she was told. Somehow I didn't she was told in the manner I was.
I felt blind-sided and confused but I thought I had my question answered as to why I wasn't being asked to watch my grand kids as often as I once was and I wondered why my daughter wasn't stopping it. Somewhere around February or March of this year my daughter and I went out to lunch and I would walk out of there and away from her home with a grieving heart.
Stayed Tuned for More Later
posted by Mines Broken @ Friday, December 02, 2011
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